Greece Investment Risk - European Crisis Affect on Moodys Ratings

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By billyaustindillon

Greece Austerity Competition Plan, Greece Wage Deal Protests

The Greece austerity competition plan and the outcome of Greece wage deal protests are the overriding factor in evaluating the European debt crisis. The Greece wage deal and competition measures for the next three years are a key term of the European Union – IMF loan backdrop deal. A three-year wage deal was struck between with Greece workers' unions and private company representatives on Thursday. The deal sees a pay freeze for 2010. Following years see wage rises based on euro zone inflation. Doomsayers said this deal could never happen.

This is one step but it is a key step in Greece’s structural change. We are three months on and the threat of Greece economic contagion remains. There have been positive developments with the first Greece debt sale going through and industrial unrest slowing down. The overriding threat is that Greece is on the verge of collapse. There are calls for the end of the Euro and the EU. That was the common thought flowing around this morning and has been for the past month or so. Remember though the funny thing with common thought in markets is that it represents the herd and the herd’s positions.


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Moodys Rating, European Crisis and the Euro Dollar Value

If we delve a little deeper when the contagion frenzy reigned Reuters ran a story on Germany’s leader Angela Merkel before the German parliament. Merkel said a precursor to the EU summit that any Greece help would be as a last resort. Merkel also noted that any bilateral help would only come in combination with the IMF. This ended up happening.

We saw the Euro fall to less than 1.2000, which helped German industry gain business against the Chinese and Japanese in particular. This tells us the wage deals and competition measures Germany struck a few years back have benefited Germany. The Greece austerity competition plan after the Greece wage deal protests seems to be making some headway here. Will wage deals transform Greece so emphatically? We have heard cries for the end of the Euro. The Euro bounced from 1.1890 to 1.3400 since the initial contagion selling. The German Manufacturing and Services PMI reports showed slowing in September as the high Euro bit again. 

EU Economic Crisis
EU Economic Crisis

The Fiscal Environment of Greece Economic Contagion, America has a bankrupt California

Coming to grips with Greece economic contagion one has to understand European gamesmanship. America has seemingly chosen to ignore the European crisis but make no mistakes a bankrupt California is the immediate task at hand. The BP oil spill disaster and the US Gulf economy doom add weight to a US crisis. Back to Europe was Merkel speaking more for all the Euro Zone back in May? After the Latvia IMF credit facility none of the non-Euro zone EU members are expected to object to any IMF involvement.

ECB boss Jean-Claude Trichet extended emergency lending rules, saying Greek bonds won’t be cut off from ECB refinancing operations next year. This is in case Moody’s Investors Service lowers its Greece rating. This where it gets messy as this was a back flip from his comments in January that it wouldn’t soften its collateral policy for the sake of a single country. Sounds like the U.S. here or does it? There is also a thought that the ECB played hardball to insert a lesson for potential destruction in Italy and Spain. We now watch if Spain gets any economic boost from their win in the 2010 World Cup as Italy did in 2006. The point is there are many variables at play here.

Bloomberg Citigroup Global Markets Ltd. in London head of fixed-income strategy Mark Schofield said back then, “There’s a structural desire to stabilize the fiscal environment.” This sums it up really for mine, Europe has been steadfast on not “pissing money against the wall” ala Obama, Bernanke and whoever else you care to mention Stateside.

Greece Wage Deal, Competition Measures

In a significant development in the Greece Economic crisis and therefore the European crisis a key Greek wage deal was stuck on July 15, 2010. An agreement between the GSEE labor confederation and the SEV industries association is significant for two reasons. The first reason is there is a deal involving the Greek unions. The second reason is the deal includes all of the 2 million private sector workers in Greece.

The tone of GSEE spokesman Stathis Anestis signaled a change in what had been an acrimonious process. Anestis said 'this year there will be no wages rises because it is a particularly difficult year. It is evident that securing jobs is more important than a wage hike'.

The three year wage deal sees a pay freeze for 2010 until July 2011. There will be wage rises based on euro zone inflation in the following two years. The first pay increase is currently estimated at 1.5 percent for July 2011. The second pay increase is set for July 2012.

When the International Monetary Fund and the European Union extended Greece the 110 billion euro ($135 billion) bailout wages was a key condition. Wage moderation is needed to restore the Greece's competitiveness. The bailout terms included private sector minimum wages to remain stable for at least three years.

Vassilis Korkidis the chairman of trade association ESEE told Reuters 'With this agreement we demonstrate that we can give pay increases in this difficult juncture, sending a message of hope,', Korkidia took part in the current wage negotiations.

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Greece economic contagion, America has a bankrupt California. This brings us back to California, for this to be the end of Europe as we know it and the EU and Euro abject failures what is the alternative? The US dollar? California I would dare say makes Spain, Greece and Italy look like a picnic and we haven’t got into the other “dog” states. So this argument seems a bit of wishful thinking for Euro shorts at this point. Certainly the 1.50 premium was a bit rich given Portugal, Greece, Ireland problems but does that mean it is the end of the Euro.

Another thought is Germany doesn’t mind this as it brings the Euro back into a more competitive price level and puts the wind up the “red headed step children” of the Euro zone, and there are a few! Merkel’s word as today plays into that thought. I tend to put a little weight on this also because relatively speaking Greece needs are small, around $27 billion (what a world we live in!). Europe is prudent when it comes to “pissing money against the wall” and is fully aware that Italy and Spain are teetering. So would just agreeing and not posturing be worse given that way of thinking?

Goldman Sachs Not Welcome in Europe

There is a growing anger with the US and specifically with Goldman Sachs over Greece. This has played out at the g-20 and G-7 conferences since the May crisis flashpoints. Goldman got their fees, proprietary profits and proceeded to screw a nation and a region with impunity. This sounds familiar to many with the other bubbles Goldman is said to have manufactured and benefited from. The SEC has charged Goldman for fraud in the US over the abacus CDO.

Europe has kept Goldman out of Greek bond actions but no doubt they want more action and pressure put on the “Giant Squid”. There is a little voice saying, ‘you know what the IMF means US is on the hook, well good.”  Should the Greece economic contagion hit America than there will be some smug Europeans claiming Karma. If you think America is a immune think of this, California has more debt than the PIIGS combined, not just Greece. That means Portugal. Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain America. The EU has set up a trillion dollar emergency fund. Will America turn on the printing presses for a bankrupt California? This is something that should concern all Americans.

Euro Forex Credit Rating Report
Euro Forex Credit Rating Report

The End of the Euro?

There are of course the usual arguments of incompetence and non-cohesion throughout the different European crisis. Though how much of this was planned given the different ideals of Germany, Germany and the socialists in both those nations let alone the rest this again comes down to brinkmanship most likely. As far as incompetence and telling fibs, just have a look at this morning’s US Senate actions with the US healthcare bill, the US house has a license on incompetence and storytelling!

For this reason I don’t think you can blindly trash the Euro in favor of the greenback, which brings more appropriate plays in like the Swiss Franc, Australian Dollar and perhaps the Yen. I am aware the Euro was a step up from the ECU to compete against the US dollar and credibility is a major issue. Given how quickly currency regain credibility this isn’t a major factor, just look at the comeback of the Australian dollar since the carry trade collapse and also the Brazilian Real. However if the ECB and France and Germany get all out of whack and become increasingly blustering than the Euro continues under pressure.

The Greece austerity competition plan after the Greece wage deal protests looks to be at least gaining traction. At the end of the day I can’t get past Greece being Europe’s California, well perhaps just Europe’s Orange County. We watch the Greece economic contagion, America has a bankrupt California link develop. That would put an interesting twist should Greece get punted from the Euro zone. That could be viewed as a good thing by some. We now watch European crisis austerity plans unfold. We have the first Greece wage deal, competition measures like this are needed to allow Greece to compete.

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Linda Myshrall profile image

Linda Myshrall Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

An interesting juxtaposition... which is not to say that I disagree. Thumbs up for your content and analysis.

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billyaustindillon Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks for your thoughts Linda - it will be an interesting period ahead of us.

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prettydarkhorse Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

nice comparison and analysis, Maita

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billyaustindillon Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks Maita

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billyaustindillon Hub Author 2 years ago

An update on this story from today:

The Euro Zone leaders endorsed a Franco-German proposal to assist Greece through a mix of International Monetary Fund and bilateral loans. The euro bounced from a 10-month low against the dollar - though still jittery. Recall that Trichet initially slammed any IMF involvement and has changed tact. Trichet told reporters he was “extraordinarily happy that the governments of the euro area found out a workable solution.”

The euro rose to $1.3345 as of 6:30 a.m. in London from $1.3273 in New York yesterday, $1.3268 the lows since May 7.

So it has pretty well worked out as thought with Germany not prepared to "piss money against the wall" and effectively keep the US on the hook with IMF involvement.

Europe’s currency also strengthened versus 14 of its 16 major counterparts after European Central Bank President Jean- Claude Trichet toned down his criticism of IMF involvement in a Greek rescue plan.

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msorensson Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Fascinating. I am impressed with your knowledge in this, Billy. Well done!

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billyaustindillon Hub Author 2 years ago

Thank you Melinda - the situation has dramatically got worse in Greece in the past few days as the bond market spread between German bunds and Greek bonds has blown out - over 400 bps on the 10 year. This is a huge stress to an already bad situation. basically the risk is great for a default and bond holders aren't willing to hold the risk so they are dumping them. There is much speculation that Greece actually wants to default also. Could you imagine what would happen to the US bond market if similar fees became entrenched? It is a tough week ahead for Greece and the EU and IMF>

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msorensson Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Hey, Billy,

I do not know if the powers that be will allow this to happen in the US. You know when America sneezes the whole world gets a cold and a few of them get high fevers..but really, I do not know much about the world of high finance.

I do know this Billy...that there are major players in the stock market who toy with it, just for the fun of it.

No hard evidence to offer you...sorry!!

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billyaustindillon Hub Author 2 years ago

I think the US has lost the influence it once had - this is evidenced by its reliance on foreign debt and the different value of assets here versus other countries. The stock market for sure is not a level playing field. Program trading runs that and who do you think runs that? The media in the US has done a great job of keeping a lot of the dire straights out of the mass publics eye. The public seems to have been very accepting of political lies billions going to banks - oh the lsit gors on and on.

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ethel smith Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Well thought out and laid out hub. I did not initially realise that I was going to read a financial hub.

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billyaustindillon Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks Ethel, I guess it would be more like a financial mismanagement hub, or at least a testimony to it sadly.

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Sufidreamer Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Good Hub, billyaustin

The Greeks (particularly the last government) have to take a very large portion of the blame for the economy, but some of the problems are due to external forces. For example, Greek banks were very prudent and did not have any problem with the toxic mortgages. Sadly, when other countries started bailing out their banks and giving them an unfair competitive advantage, the Greek banks suffered. Hungarian banks suffered in the same way - They were punished for being prudent!

We are hoping that the Euro loses some value - it is artificially high - as that will help tourism. As you can imagine, people here are nervous - we know that we have to tighten our belts, but if the savings are all going to be eaten up in paying interest on the loans, it is merely pushing the problem back.

Best of luck over in the US :)

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billyaustindillon Hub Author 2 years ago

Some very good points Sufidreamer, great to hear a point of view from greece than all the media too! I think the major problem was when Goldman Sachs years ago helped the National Bank of Greece disguise debt through CDS and other transfers to make the fiscal situation appropriate when it never was for the Euro zone admission. So it meant Greece was coming from a much worse position than initially thought - the austerity programs that were supposed to be put in 7 -8 years ago never were because of this. This is sad because now those that have been austere in the past few years are being punished for the previous deception. Yes I think a lower Euro is wanted by most of Europe, Germany in particular. I wrote another hub about that actually that you may find interesting. Greece Communication.... America has serious problems, California is paying via IOUs so that gives you a clue how bad it is there!

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